I don’t agree that AEGS have the same Accuracy as Snipers because they both have the same hop up systems but the only thing the sniper has is more power. That’s simply untrue. Snipers are much more accurate because they can use heavier bbs than AEGS, this is due to the fact that they have more air volume in in the cylinder than AEGs which allows them to get more power /(joule creep) on heavier bbs. For example if a sniper shoots 2.2 joules on 0.20 bbs, on 0.46 gram bbs it would shoot 2.8-3.0 joules. However, on AEGs, they have smaller a cylinder volume which makes them not get any joule creep and less range which makes them no longer benefit from heavier wieght bbs.

And If you didn’t know, heavier weight bbs fly a lot further than lighter weight bbs and more accurately. For example, on my SSG10, using 0.32 gram bbs I would get around 230 feet of range (which I measured with a 330 feet measuring tape) but when I switched to 0.40 gram bbs, the bbs shot around 270-300 feet. Also, heavier wieght bbs aren’t effected by the wind as much as much which makes them way more accurate than regular AEGs.

This video made me get a lmg with a tightbore.. thanks Rob

also depends on site, if its more cqb i use a rifle, my main setup is rifleman, i use an L85 a2, mk23 nice silent pistol, tm vsr 10 sniper, when i play as sniper communication is key, if i see someone at long range even if i know i could hit them i radio to my team the position, sniping is not always about picking people off at range its also great for scouting and relaying that info back to your team.

While you are right on your points, i think you forgot one quite important thing about snipers in airsoft.
AEGs, GBRs and HPA guns are quite loud and you give your position away pretty much instantly even at 200+ft.
Bolt Action Rifles however tend to be really silent and are pretty much impossible to hear at the effective range of the sniper role.
Esp. in woodland and with camo that atleast somewhat suits your environment (i am not even talking about gillies here, just your normal airsoft attire with a fitting camo pattern),
the enemy players have a really hard time to actually 1. make out that they are even shot at and 2. make out from where they are shot at
Thats esp. powerful if you flank the enemy and a lot of the time the enemy assumes (if they even realize that they are getting shot at) that the fire comes from the direction of the front line, meaning you dont even give up the advantage of the flank as soon as you open fire, like you would do with other systems.

This is nice to see, love how you use a whiteboard to explain things. It's the second video I watched about snipers and those are some really good points. I made a video about something simular to this and did know that this video was out there. Love it.

Great video; Gungamers told me about your channel; you've got a new subscriber

Yep you bring it to the point. And it get even worse: I'm from Europe and we play primarily in France. Here the legal max energy for any Airsoft by law is 2 joules. So the gap between Sniper/DMR and for example a Recce rifle (which have the same rules than DMRs when the barrel length is over 16,5 inches, magnified optic and 4.5kg or more, regular carbines and shorter are limited to a max of 1.5 joules) The sniper just gets obsolet. It's not the best rule setting for sure, but the limits by law define those rules. Means i'm more effective with my recce and LPVO than any sniper on the field and also can compete with DMR's easily.

You should probably get better at playing the role properly instead pf switching out to it because "reasons."

In the sniper example, you assume that rifleman and sniper always see eachother and start firing at the same time, which is not always the case. Snipers like to stay undetected and attack unseen.

A snipers greatest strength is not the rifle, but the aspect of stealth.

I'll start with saying that I respect the viewpoints of OP, but also that I disagree with several of the points. Full bias disclosure, the BASR is my preferred choice to sling plastic, though I regularly rotate between it, support gunner, DMR, and rifleman. To summarize my following argument, OP's points are applicable for most BASR players, but not all; context and individual player habits are important factors. For full disclosure, I use a full EdGI kitted VSR-10 with an Action Army hop up unit, powered most often at 2.3J shooting .40 or heavier BBs, and I re-zero my hop up and scope reticle to 150ft every time I play dependent upon air temp, humidity, and joule limits. My rifle is fully sealed with teflon and proper lubrication, insulated with acoustic foam, and it has a baffled acoustic foam suppressor on it. I've spent more time zeroing the gun as I have teching it. I understand that most airsoft players with BASRs do not devote the time and effort that I have, which is why I will advocate for the exceptions to OP's video. I'll respond chronologically to points made in the video.

1:15 - "They all use the same hop up system to be accurate." This is certainly not true. There are BASR hop up units that can be tuned more specifically than AEG units, including left/right adjustment. Force application and retention on the bucking is also different. That doesn't include accuracy improvements from BB weight and quality, and while it's possible to use high quality heavy BBs in AEG's, I doubt the accuracy by volume tactic still applies then ($$$'s).

1:28 - "Differences in minimum engagement distances (rifleman, DMR, sniper)." I agree with OPs assessment of average MEDs. This is some important context. If there DMR rules are allowed on the field and the joule limits are less than 0.5J and MED is 50' less than for BASR, the DMR is the superior choice. It also matters if the DMR is allowed full-auto or delayed follow up. As more advantages are given to the DMR class, the less advantageous the BASR class becomes. Many fields do not allow DMR roles, which makes the BASR a legitimate role, especially if the joule limit for BASRs is 2.8J or more while the rifleman is set at 1.5J. A quality secondary paired with a DMR rifle virtually eliminates their MED disadvantage while retaining its range advantage against most rifleman. This problem is why most fields did away with the DMR roles in the early aughts, because it created a pay-to-win factor in the game (I remember fully tuned 470fps TM PSG-1's just wrecking everyone and ruining the day for most players 15 years ago).

2:22 - Engaging at maximum range vs effective range. OP's assumptions are sound, but again only for most; context leaves room for many exceptions, particularly when you factor in BB weight, quality, or temp and wind.

2:34 - "Probably better off not taking the shot and giving away your position." There's a tremendous amount of context to consider here outside of the max/effective range question. A well suppressed and air-sealed rifle, like my example, will not give away your position on shot, especially at ranges of 250'. It's not hard to find video of people having no idea where a shot is coming from at longer ranges, and also not finding the shooter.

4:50 - "The main problem with the BASR is that the range that it has the most advantage is where it is least accurate, and it doesn't have the rate of fire to make up for that lack of accuracy." This is only a problem if you continually play with your BASR at or near the maximum range, which is probably how most BASR players try to play. The most effective way to play the BASR (holding the same assumptions on effective and max ranges) is where the rifleman and BASR do not overlap (see my previous point on DMRs for why I'm not addressing the DMR class here), which is the 150 to 250 foot range. This is where player mobility and awareness take over in importance to gun quality of any role. Understanding when you as a BASR player are in that sweet spot takes many, many hours of play (I've been using a variant of a fully teched out VSR-10 for more than 12 years). It's in this sweet spot where you know you'll only need one shot to take the target, especially if they are unaware of your position. If you don't move well, if you don't have proper on-body concealment, or you don't know proper visual angles, you're gonna have a bad time.

5:25 - "[Due to accuracy by volume at 200' for a rifleman] the rifleman is going to be able to put shots on the sniper and the sniper is going to have to disengage." Again, heavily context dependent. I'm generally only taking shots in the sweet spot from good cover, where accuracy by volume applies less. Precision is much more important in that context. And even if this scenario occurs, most of the BASR role is about mobility, so knowing where your secondary and tertiary retreat spots are based on possible advancements by the enemy is absolutely crucial. Keeping targets in your sweet spot is key. If you're playing your BASR to just not move and take long shots, this scenario will occur quite often, which is why most BASR players are ineffective.

5:42 - Engagement at or near the MED. Again, more context is required here. The BASR is extremely, and far more so than any other role, dependent upon their secondary weapon choice. I use a very well tuned Hicapa that has an effective range of 150', and sometimes I'll add a shower grenade launcher, several hand grenades, or a KJW Mac10. I usually split my kills 50:50 with my pistol and rifle, and there are many games I get more with my pistol. I find that ratio increases the less familiar I am with the field. The majority of the time I'm moving pistol drawn ready for shots (unless I'm repositioning in safe territory with multiple forward friendlies) until I reach a good sweet spot position with cover to take my BASR shots. A good secondary significantly reduces the MED disadvantage of a BASR role vs. others, and I would say it's absolutely crucial to playing the BASR role well. If you don't have a good secondary and don't use it well, you won't have confidence in your movement and you'll play poorly due to the majoritarian cases OP makes in the video, or you'll be tied to the hip of your spotter (a perfectly legit way to play the BASR role as well, especially in milsim reconniasance roles).

7:00 - A note on the superiority of the support gunner role. If you're playing a support gunner roles to get kills by just taking advantage of the accuracy by volume principle with the FPS and ROF and capacity advantages, you're buying into the pay-to-win factor I previously mentioned. Plus, then you're not really support gunning, you're just a full-auto DMR. The role of the support gunner is to provide suppressive fire to enable friendly repositioning by pinning down targets. I built my M249 with a high torque motor, 32:1 gear set with a quality barrel and hop up setup so that it shoots less than 10 RPS, so I can just hold the trigger down indefinitely, to enable long periods of suppressive fire without burning things out. Just something to consider.

7:45 - A note on HPA sniper kits. Having owned a couple HPA'd VSR's, I've found that the mediocre ROF increase and pressure modularity to be a poor trade-off with the added weight and hose for mobility purposes. If you just want to pump long range shots downfield and not move well, play DMR or support.

8:42 - A note to new players on playing the BASR. I agree with OP's points. Generally, new players don't understand proper player mobility, engagement patterns (i.e., majority of shooters are right handed and therefore will come from the left to cover their body on corners), or their individual BASR's performance (where their sweet spot is). And they haven't sunk the time, effort, and dollars into making their BASR a precision tool. It is much better to learn the game as an underpowered rifleman to learn the importance of the aforementioned before transitioning to the role(s) you'll eventually want to play.

OP's points on BASRs are true for the majority of BASR players. But with proper mobility, technique, and gun/ammo kit that most are unwilling to obtain, the role can be very effective in play.

Great video and I've always loved your Content Yes playing a sniper role communications is key
Playing a sniper role in airsoft
Being effective is not always shooting another player Just another player thinking now I said thinking that they can be hit at 300 feet or more You know like when somebody say cover me Same thing goes for being a Airsoft sniper Especially if you have a well tuned sniper gun were a player don't know where the shots are coming from Now that's being A game changer
I could be wrong i'm just saying
you tell me

Basically I started to get into sniping because using a aeg was too easy to out gun most players thanks to being in the paintball world for years and I felt like I was beating up on inexperienced players most of the time. Sucks that the average airsoft player is lacking in multiple skills that the average paintball player has.
Sniping like you point out should really only stay with more experienced players who understand the advantages/disadvantages of most platforms.
Too many new players trying to snipe burn out because they don't have the experience or know how. Plus new players using snipers end up with a lack of aggressiveness due to the idea of what they think airsoft sniper rifles can do which can severely hamper a team in competitive games.

I don’t like being a sniper, using a 1-6x scope on a semi auto is much more useable in my opinion

I do not know the J limits in US. Though i would like to know how much of a diffrence there is between the DMR and rifleman class.

Where im from 1.7 J is rifle man and 2.2 J is DMR. And the concensus here is that two upgraded rifles have more or less the same effective range (On a inanimate) object. The only difference is the speed of the same weight bb. (Result of test with Aegs with same cylinder size).

Test with larger cylinder, like the v2.5 gearbox, did have longer effective range.

I'm knew going hopfully to the camp R&R event here in forest grove OR frist time on the feild .

I think all go rifle men I would run a pistole for both classes so you have a back up but hey I'm out faster Shoreditch to secondary in that moment then reload . get safe then reload .

Great video analysis. Love the new intro!!! Straight fire.

Never thought about this but it makes perfect sense

The biggest problem with airsoft snipers in my opinion is the time of flight of the BB.

I like that, Effective and Max Range. I try and tell people that all the time. Arcing a Bb way up to hit 300 hit is not effective. Great Video!

Great video!

Excellent summary. Airsoft snipers are really only effective against riflemen if they are very quiet and using concealment properly, in which case the range is not the main factor and a MK23 is in all honesty a more effective weapon than a rifle. It's almost as if the rifles themselves are only there for the lone satisfaction of making a long shot (which is huge fun of course) ;)

Loved the video

idk bout others but i always thought of sniping as larping. Either that or run a stock marui with 0,9 j in close range just to challenge yourself.
Snipers can however get rid of stalemates as the can harass the positions that pin people down. They can also cause stalemates because too many people sniping means noone is pushing. My personal plan is running a DMR (German laws have semi-auto only above 0,5 J anyway) with a tuned TM G-spec (small and lightweight) sniper on my back.

Oh and i dont do facebook, can i get a patch?

It's nice to see that after a decade and change, a Guarder Black, with wide H nub and a Madbull 6.03 tight bore shooting 380 with .25s has the same effective range (with .28s) as the modern wizzbang hop up units.

That poor G&G M14 Veteran is still relevant in the modern airsoft field. I remember playing a game at the Plattsmouth field and Vector brought out his LRF and we measured it out. I was minute of man with that gun to 82.6 yards with a slight quartering wind and a slight hold over.

Loved that AEG for how simple and reliable it was... and dirty accurate when everyone else was stuck at about 50 yards of range!

excelent video well said i have so many people who want play snipers and they have no real clue lol